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SMART Investment and Property Expo 2008 Review

March 30th, 2008 by Wai Loong (45 Comments)

I’ve been kept rather occupied this whole weekday at work and seriously thinking about the next article I want to write. I have a few number of issues and topics to cover, but eventually, I’ve decided to hold them all off until the week is almost over … to make time to put together this week’s exciting SMART Investment and Property Expo 2008!

This year, this event was held in Suntec City Singapore on 29th and 30th March 2008, shocasing overseas properties and many other investment products. Visitors are most welcomed to patron the exhibits and live seminars from 10am to 7pm on both days.

If you’re not interested about your financial future, then I’m sorry because this article will be filled with information that is of no interest to you. Even so, I highly encourage you to check out the information below because this exposition are not 100% catered for local property investments. There are a great deal of lower priced assets like properties that are based overseas which can be readily affordable by small retail investors like you and me.

Allow me quickly summarize my personal findings on the exposition…

I arrived at Suntec City, approximately 3pm, and found out that there were already a number of exhibitions running concurrently. I was quite surprised to find a very long queue at the level 3 halls, but I’ve no idea why.

The investment exhibition is based on level 4, occupying the whole of Hall 402 so there was no mistake that those people I saw weren’t queuing to discover a great investment hit.

I found my way to level 4 and was quite surprised at the quietness! I think for a second and decided to take my first shot of what happened as you’ll see what I mean.

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Here is a snapshot of the traffic as I move up the escalator and approaching the registration counters.

As you can see, and unlike the IT Show 2008 held earlier in Suntec City this month, there were hardly any people rushing in to check out the latest/alternate investment vehicles around. I conclude that the majority of folks out there are more interested to spend money and enjoy luxury items, than to take efforts to discover ways to make their money work harder for them.

Anyway, I took a number of interesting pictures of the happenings around the Hall. Below are some samples and descriptions.

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Personally, I really enjoy gazing over miniaturized models of private houses and condominiums. Though I can’t afford them now, it pays to check them out and put them on my visualization listings.

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My perspective of Malaysia properties are a lot vague and personally, I don’t like the idea of investing in properties in Johor Bahru (JB) or Kuala Lumpur (KL). As you can see, the government of Malaysia has just been formed and I’m not quite sure if it’s a go for expensive investment like property. Imagine that you’ll depend very much on the stability of the economy and the law enforcement agencies to protect your invested assets. I could be wrong about this though.

As I’ve heard too, Thailand is another attractive location for property investment. Much of such investments in Thailand has a lot to do with tourism. You guess it already - it’s resorts and residential real estates.

Unfortunately, I do not have the information to assess such deals, and often too, such investments are worth millions of dollars, putting retail investors like you and me out of reach. It is possible in the future that ownership of such assets, may be made readily available to small investors.

The exposition is not all about exhibits of real estate developers and retailers. There are a number of exciting seminars too!

Seminars are conducted concurrently in two separate locations across the hall. I’ve already missed quite a fair bit of the keynote speeches by the time I arrive so I try to squeeze in to listen and take some occasional pictures of the interactions between the guest speakers and the public audiences.

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From what I understand from the points presented, there is no better time to buy properties here in Singapore. No comments on that one because I don’t have a few millions dollars to take their advice anyway. Do consult your trusted property/real estate agent before committing huge bucks on any long-term high ticket investments, even if you can afford to.

I’ve found an interesting booth at D05 from UM Land Berhad showcasing some projects with Capitalland. I like their miniaturized model of a condominium with all the cool lightings coming from within the little windows!

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Are you already tempted?

How about these ones from Sunway City Berhad?

I’m sure they’ll blow you off your socks! :)

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As I wonder back and froth the exhibits, looking out for any familiar faces, I caught sight of Vittorio (one of the most prominent guys in my coaching class back in year 2005) standing next to Seminar Area 2! Not really sure if it was him and if he could even remember me, I went up to him to say hi anyway!

Boy was I glad that he can still remember me!

He is still with Walton International Group even after 3 years since we’ve last met, and have thus progress to the position of Assistant Vice President for Walton’s land banking sales force.

What surprised me more was his close contact with coach Manoj and that he is now receiving coaching that he missed in the final phases of the coaching course. I took the opportunity to learn much more from him about his approaches to solid ground investment and options trading using methods taught by Dr. Clement Chiang of Freely Options Trading School.

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Vittorio also taught me some important lessons on wealth building, such as by attending and learning as much from seminars like this one. According to him (and taken from somewhere which he had forgotten), it has been statistically measured that as much as 50% of people who ever take action to learn, improve and enhance their investing strategies, 90% of these people shall eventually succeed to attain what they want financially in life.

I had the fortune also to pass this photograph to him the next time when I get back to him and his coaching progress with Manoj!

I picked up more information about the truth of CPF ordinary returns of 2.5% and how the lock-in and minimum sum schemes will affect all of us in the long term.

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Imagine if you do contribute CPF from age 25 to 65 (40 years) at 2.5% compounded annually, here is what it is if the same initial $20,000 OA and SA account would grow to at 3.5%, 5%, 7% and 8% compounded annually.

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And that most investors with CPFIS on average, does not even beat 2.5% offered by the government…

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Even government investment agencies like GIC and Temasek Holdings are making returns at higher rates (8.25% over 25 years and 18% for Temasek over 32 years).

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In short, if you can wisely invest your CPF in various investment vehicles to yield higher returns year-on-year, do not allow it to get eroded by high inflation and low rates promised by the CPF board.

Use free, unlimited fund switching and portfolio re-balancing techniques to your advantage to average out loosing investments while keeping focus on wining ones.

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It took me a long time before I’ve found AAG’s booth for REDEV Properties. For your information, I am already invested with REDEV on some solid commercial real estate properties, just earlier this month.

Coincidentally, I was invited to a much privileged buffet dinner at Royal Plaza Hotel the night before, with many of AAG’s private investors. The evening was casual and was graced by the presence of REDEV’s president, Richard Crenian and his young partner, Darwin Forer, VP Sales for Asia Pacific.

Real estate income and gain (REIG) programs in my understanding, is an attractive investment vehicle not commonly known to the public. Such investment offers unique rental income returns, and at the same time, very attractive capital appreciation of anywhere from 25% to 40% when buyout takes place, and upon 60% votes by stakeholders.

Each project is 100% own by REDEV, the residents of Canada (similar to CPF), and the remaining ownership is open to all global investors worldwide. Liquidation is easy as potential buyers and sellers are within the same pool of investors who are already making comfortable returns from existing ownership and want more equity of its kind hoping for larger capital appreciation share on buyouts.

To take advantage of such unique opportunities, one will have to establish the relevant connections and timing of entry for new project offers, such as vacancy of offer from REDEV and floating foreign exchange rates which you must be comfortable with (since it’s a mid to long term investment vehicle).


Investment Type: Cash Flow + Capital Gain (Tax already factored)
Investment Size Per Lot:

  • CAD$10,000 minimum (Arrangement By AAG)
  • Multiples of CAD$25,000 to CAD$100,000 (REDEV)

Income ROI: 8-10%pa (passive income paid in CAD)
Capital ROI: 25-40% of initial valuation
Breakeven: Approximately 5 years
Income Life: Until estate buyout upon voted by > 60% investors
Payment: Check of once or twice per year

That’s it… for now!

I’ll be heading off again now (in the morning on day 2 of this exposition) and I’ll be right back to keep the rest of this article updated as soon as I possibly can!

Latest Updates (30th March 2008, 1600hrs):

I’m back again!

I caught up with my friend, Edmund Lee who is particularly interested in investment vehicles and he’s eager to check out what this exposition has to offer.

I showed him around to some other cashflow producing asset such as oil and gas field.

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OilPods is a marketing company was established here in Singapore since 2005 and works with their partner at Powder River Petroleum International Inc (OTC:BB Symbol PWDR). Powder River Petroleum International is the business of active production, acquisition, and marketing of crude oil and natural gas properties.

Cashflow as opposed to capital appreciation, is vital if you happen to have a lot of spare cash and you are looking out for stable source of passive income for your retirement. Other strategies involve yearly investments to build multiple streams of passive income to your bank account through Giro.

The interesting fact about cashflow driving assets is that you can stagger them up in the order you want each year as you re-invest those monthly generated income into more and more cashflow.

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In theory, if you have USD$100,000 of spare cash right now, you can potentially generate USD$1,500 (possibly 12% to 15%) or more passive income into your bank account month after month! If you re-invest all that income year-on-year for straight 5 years, you can retire on USD$3,000 or more worth of residual income (and keep rolling) for the rest of your life!

Investment Type: Cash Flow (Tax already factored)
Investment Size Per Lot: Multiples of USD$10,000
ROI: 12-15%pa (paid in USD)
Breakeven: Approximately 5 years
Income Life: Until the oil/gas well runs dry in 12-20 years (and possibly 30 years for gas well).
Payment: Monthly GIRO
Not bad at all for small retail investors!

Before you get over excited, let me identify investment risks associated with this asset class:

  1. Monthly deposits of income generated from foreign is subjected to foreign exchange rate. One may argue that the dollar is weakening against Singapore dollar and it may be a good time to buy US assets. Unfortunately, your income is converted to SGD which means your income is very much affected the strength of the dollar.
  2. Hurricanes or other natural disasters may hit your oil or gas fields (as much as twice a year?). As such, mineral minings may be disrupted for months until repair work is completed. Fortunately, these assets are insured against such disasters so that may not sound too bad after all!
  3. Risk of liquidation of Powder River Petroleum Inc. Fortunately, mineral title deeds are issued to private investors like you and I. If so unfortunately, that the company is filed for bankruptcy or other legal lawsuits, you still own the asset titles. Your title may be auctioned and sold at market value, depending on the amount of reserves under the fields that you own. Generally, your investment principle is recovered (breakeven) when you received your 36th checks (3 years) or 60th checks (5 years).

Interesting?

Wait till I check out another deal which is a competitor of OilPod. It’s always good practice to find out differentiated investment products before committing cash for long term.

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I haven’t got a chance until next week to find out more from their presentation. Once I’ve got the details, I’ll keep you posted on my findings here!

Updated On 6th April 2008!

I attended the open presentation from Oil Estates on Thursday and found out a lot more about investing in Oil & Gas.

It turned out that Oil Estates is a newly established competitor to Oilpods (about 1 month old now) and it looks like it’s the only competitor you can find in Singapore. Important discovery I made was, Oil Estates IS a Lead Investor in minerals, unlike Oilpod, which the latter is solely a marketing company.

What does that mean to investors?

Simply put, if a company exist purely to provide an investment service to real estates or oil/gas fields, investors themselves have to engage their own attorneys should disputes occur. The service agency have in no way liable for the losses of their clients.

Oil Estates in this context, is a lead investor. This means that they have a vested interest in the projects they work on and they are unlikely to default unless the company liquidates. In this case, the speaker claimed that the company has a paid up capital of more than SGD$500,000 and has been around to the past years serving clients in acquiring UK assets (land).

Oil Estates works as follows:
They take investor’s money and buy existing oil wells from their 2 operators in US Texas. These two operators are GM SOUTHEAST ENERGY VENTURES, LLC and DAYSTAR OIL & GAS CORP. DAYSTAR is a private equity-funded company established in 1996, while GM is a public-listed company on NASDAQ OTCBB USA, and being the 39th largest producer in the State of Texas. These 2 experienced operators together, manages Oil Estate projects to help spread risks for investors.

With the money raised from 8 different countries where they operate, Oil Estates pay a premium for existing oil/gas wells from one or more of the above operators and start paying investors 3 month after they receive their Mineral Title (also known in USA as Working Interest).

Other portions of the money raised goes to pay for lease secured by the operators. With secured lease, the operators can start exploration and drilling in preparation for production.

Important thing to note, is that the working interest is filed and safekeep in the County of Orange (Texas) where operators are obliged by law to pay all parties in the working interest from the profits made in mining from their fields.

Subsequent money raised from investors are used to run other projects, include redevelopment and exploration programmes.

Unlike Oilpods, Oil Estate seeks to minimize risks by spreading investor’s money on a whole programme, rather than per project as marketed by Oilpods. This means that in the case of dry, uneconomical and low production wells, this can vastly reduce investors’ returns.

Unfortunately, such investments have their risk, the biggest being natural disasters such as hurricanes (Texas), and the weakening of the US dollar.

Investment Type: Cash Flow (Tax already factored)
Investment Size Per Lot: Multiples of USD$12,000, unlimited
ROI: 8%pa plus variable bonus (passive income paid in USD),
thereafter 5 years breakeven, no less than 10%pa.
Breakeven: Approximately 3.5 to 5 years
Income Life: Until the oil/gas well runs dry in 12-20 years (and possibly 30 years for gas well).
Payment: Monthly check or GIRO

I turned around finally to Walton International and caught a quick chat with their sales team manager. Interestingly, he and Edmund share the same name and to commemorate this special occasion, I offered to take a photograph of them.

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Finally, I introduced REDEV and Managing Partner of AAG, Lawrence Wong to Edmund. We learned a lot more about REIGs, the potential of passive incomes and capital appreciations by investing in commercial real estates.

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Lawrence was very patient and kind to explain further on some of our other queries, for example, the types of other investments that AAG recommends to clients and what are the pitfalls of similar products that salesman do not tell you about.

That’s it and thanks a lot for reading this far!

I trust that you may have benefited somehow from some of my own findings.

If you have anything interesting to share, or want to know more about a particular investment class, do feel free to drop me your comments below!

Good investing and live a life with passion!

Resources:

  1. The Official SMART Investment Property Website
  2. The Official SMART Investment Property Website

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44 Responses:

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MyAvatars 0.2 Anon on April 16th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Hi,

I was at the expo as well and I am amazed that you have really done lots of research and a good article on the expo.

However can I just point out that the link for the official SMART Investment and International Property Expo is actually http://www.smartexpos.com and not the link you have given.

Kudos to your well written and informative article!

Cheers!

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MyAvatars 0.2 Rick on April 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

wrong website it should be http://www.smartexpos.com

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on April 16th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

@ Anon and Rick:
Thanks for pointing out the mistake!
I’m so sorry… and I’ve already updated the error with the strike-off and updated URL at the bottom.

So what other interesting stuffs have you guys picked up from the expo? I’m already convinced that it’s a lot more informative and useful than the investment expo (also in Suntec City) held earlier this year.

BTW, how are you guys doing financially? I’m considered a newbie in many areas of investing so I’m looking to learn as fast and as much as I can while I’m still going good!

Thanks again… you’re all most welcomed to share your findings and discoveries here! I look forward to hearing from you guys again! :)

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MyAvatars 0.2 Oil Tx on April 17th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Be careful about oil and gas investment with private equity companies. Some of the principles might not be trustworthy.

It appears DayStar Oil & Gas mentioned in your article above has just filed for bankruptcy in Texas. This is a company the claimed to have $100,000,000 in reserves right up until filing.

http://www.txwb.uscourts.gov/information/calendars/cag/1-04-09-2008.htm

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on April 19th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

@ Oil Tx:

It appears that DayStar Oil & Gas has indeed filed for bankruptcy in Texas! Thanks a lot for the timely notification for everyone here!

Lesson learned:
Financial information on private equity companies are not easy to uncover. The only thing you’ve got left is your mineral title deed (if you’ve unfortunately gotten yourself invested on this one!).

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MyAvatars 0.2 Alex Tseng on April 21st, 2008 at 1:41 am

I was there participating at the Smart Expo show
I was @ the Move With Us booth … I was pushing for management farmland in Argentina … MWU has couple of UK government pension approved investment product … however, due to dis-agreements with the management … our team has subsequently exited from MWU … now we are working on managed coffee plantation outside Medan … will keep you posted on this …

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on April 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Hello Alex!

Wow! You’re now into the industry of finance? That comes to me as a surprise from a tech guy! :)

Anyway, are you doing investment product sales full time or part-time, and still doing tech sales?

You mention farmland? Do keep me posted, as I’m pretty keen to expand my knowledge in investments in different asset classes! :)

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MyAvatars 0.2 John Tan on April 29th, 2008 at 3:16 am

As far as we know Oil Estates is not working with Daystar but with Exterra Energy and Exxel. Their first project will be the Barrnett Shale project.

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on April 29th, 2008 at 10:25 pm

That’s strange…

I’ve received a printed sample copy of the partial assignment of oil and gas leases, filed in the state of Texas, county of orange.

A small quote from this sample document:

Whereas, by that certain Participation Agreement dated Janurary 25, 2005, between GM and Daystar Oil & Gase Corp, (”DAYSTAR”), the twenty percent (20%) working interest reserved by GM in and to the Leases described on Exhibit “A” attached hereto, was distributed 75% of 20% to GM and 25% of 20% to DAYSTAR upon payout of the Samson Lone Star, LLC/Hannah well located in the McLain Ephraim Survey, Section 10, Abstract 449, Orange County, Texas;

It wasn’t mentioned in the marketing brochures as DayStar. I derived it out from their sample documents. And there should be minimum mistake too because I saw the name being flashed out on the presentation slides.

Comments?

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MyAvatars 0.2 Tim on June 7th, 2008 at 11:02 am

Hi All,
Beware Oil Estates history is with Land International Far East which is a SCAM in the UK being closed down buy the FSA UK goverment. Look at http://www.propertyscam.org.uk there are lots of Land banks being Shut down for breaking the law.

BEWARE!!!!

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MyAvatars 0.2 Tim on June 7th, 2008 at 11:08 am

Hi All,
Oil Estates are linked to Land International Far East which is a possible SCAM company being closed down by the UK goverment FSA http://www.propertyscam.org.uk

BEWARE!!!!

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on June 7th, 2008 at 11:27 am

Thanks Tim!

I’ve visited Oil Estates office in Singapore and I’ve seen their retail certificates on their walls.

Their current address is:
Capital Tower #09-13
Robinson Rd
(Building is near Tanjong Pagar MRT station)

Anyway, I’m not in a position to comment on their land banking business as I’ve not seen their sales presentation.

Perhaps anybody can comment or verify that? I understand from reliable sources that there are quite a number of UK land banking scams around.

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MyAvatars 0.2 Sam on June 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Hi

I am new to investing in oil and gaz. I was wondering if you have any experience with OilPod.

Thx

Sam

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on June 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Hello Sam!

I’ve been to Oilpod’s sales presentation too, but I’m not investing with Oilpods for several reasons.

First things first, Oilpod is a marketing company incorporated in Singapore. It works in partnership with a US based oil field owner and what Oilpod does is to provide a service to likely investors. If the US partner runs away, then it’s up to the investors to handle all litigations.

I know, this is a risk that all foreign investors have to take, but from the looks of current crude oil prices, it is unlikely that the company go belly up. Also, you may want to consider factoring risks in exchange rates and taxes for dividends paid from the yields of foreign investments.

The reason why I’m not invested is because I’m saving up for longer term investments. I’m currently studying hard to evaluate certain groups of value stocks (businesses) that I may consider to invest in. Part of my savings will also be channeled to mini forex trading (possible in the near future).

Finally, some savings will be channeled to buying another REIG asset when the opportunity comes around again next year. In my opinion, REIG pays higher returns, and is exposed to less risk than Oil fields mineral title deeds.

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MyAvatars 0.2 John Tan on June 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Tim, can you substantiate that Land International is a scam? Are you from a competitor? Just because their UK directors’ company which is not linked to Singapore is shutted down for grouping investors for planning permission for the UK sites. The land sold by the Singapore company is own wholly by the Singapore company, Land International (Far East) Pte Ltd. It is a different entity and has no shareholding links with the UK and therefore not affected by the UK which is shutting down all land banking companies, good or bad under FSA for collective Investment scheme (CIS). The Singapore company will seek planning permission from Singapore. If no planning work is done, it is unlikely the site will get planning permission and investors will get hurt. This CIS is the same as our enbloc sales in Singapore, you cannot group investors for such collective sales in the UK. They could not find a law to shut down the bad land companies, thus they use the CIS. FSA has no category for regulating land sales even if legitimate land companies want to be regulated.
As with Oil Estates, it is a separate company altogether.
John Tan

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MyAvatars 0.2 Jacob on June 25th, 2008 at 4:26 am

Dear Wai Loong,
I am very concern with investment products that produced what is generally termed as “income stream”. Companies such as Oilpods and Oil Estates are a big concern to me and they have been proven so.

The fact is: if the business is profitable, no logical business owners will want to share their profit with you. Would you not agree? So whenever companies that are so “kind” to share their income stream with you it only leads to greater suspicion and we must not be easily attracted by these so-called income stream products because as soon as they are here, they can be gone. Oilpods have been around for 5 years and today they are in hotsoup because Powder River Basin their US counterpart has not been able to pay Oilpods… as they found out that the field do not have oil and the engineering reports they have given were fake.

Now Powder River Basin is reportedly having financial trouble. Does it sound strange? Oil price is doing well and they, a oil company, have problem.
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/071114/pwdr.ob10qsb.html

Read this: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1623743 and find out how some of these “income stream” products have each found out to be scam!

Redev could be looked upon with similar light.
Look at the discussion at this link:
http://www.lioninvestor.com/oilpods-update/

The more you think about it, the more it sounded concerning.
If the boss of Redev has already owned those commercial building, why is he so kind to share out with the investors? Who in the world will be so kind to do so?

If he has not own the building, then he is simply raising funds to acquire the buildings with the investors money. Do you know how much is their markup? According to a friend of mine who pioneered with them and who has worked for Capitaland, he told me that he left the company after finding out that their buildings were marked up more than 400%! Now that is scary. Have they shown you the purchase price of their buildings? Never. They are hiding something?

According to some other friends of mine who has spoken to them, they have always rejected investors from obtaining the rental agreements signed by the tenants. If these are co-owners of the buildings, why aren’t Redev willing to show them the rental agreements signed by the tenants? Are they hiding something? Did all those buildings really have those rental as described?

Somehow the Redev’s offering sounds very fishy.

And consider the fact, if they really own so many commercial buildings, they are much bigger than City Dev or Capitaland isn’t it? But why aren’t they even have a proper office in their HQ in Canada? According to a local Canadian, Redev office is a 2-3 man table office in Canada. Does this sound concerning to you?

Just consider those companies that come and go: Swisscash, Oilpods (in the process), Sunshine Empire, eBarrel, etc what do they have in common? Income stream! You invest and within a short period of time, you see your returns. Why are these companies doing this? They do this to make you believe and hopefully will invest more with them. If they can continue to find more suckers to pay those who invested earlier, then good luck. If they can’t find enough suckers, then the company will close down.

Consider this: Why aren’t Redev setup in Singapore? Why is it that AAG is the one who was setup? Similar to Oilpods again… can you see?

So watch your money carefully. Do not be easily swayed by such money-making schemes. The sales people are the ultimate winners.

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MyAvatars 0.2 Michele on June 25th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Hi Wai Loong,

Scary isn’t it too see so many great sounding investments turn into nothing but investment drainers.

I firmly believe that $$ should be effort based. Clean hard earned $$.

But if you conform to good ole Robert’s (Kiyosaki) theory, of other people’s money, other people’s effort & other people’s time, then putting in 10% effort with a group of good friends in a reputable network marketing company may seem like the safest and most affordable franchise opportunity available. You control the earnings as it’s a legitimate biz and reap the royalties many years down d line.

The earnings you make from your biz, just invest in a reputable hedge fund or unit trust company. Why not even Walton, hear they’re slow but SURE.

EARN fast and INVEST slow but sure. My 2 cents worth. :-)

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on June 26th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

Hello Jacob!

Really appreciate your kind concern and inputs! I believe your intentions are good and that you have the best interest for everyone!

I have no comments on Oilpod and since I’m not tracking on their progress, there’s no way I can make objective comments without any solid backing evidences.

As for REDEV, I have personally met its founder and co-partner Darwin Forer, VP Sales for Asia and REDEV who is currently stationed in Hong Kong.

In my own biased judgment, he does not look as bad as you have mentioned. No offense I hope… but since I’m already an investor, I do not want my own anchored perspective to distort and confuse other potential investors.

I understand your concern on the small Canada office and manpower. Though a possible fear have struck me, I have rationalized that having a small office does not equate that a business is in trouble. Have you heard of the legendary SEO expert, Brad Fallon? He has a really small staff strength probably less than 5 staffs to manage a wedding favor business with a turnover of over a hundred millions dollars.

I’m still taking a neutral outlook on the fundamentals of commercial real estates and the economy of Canada, especially in the region of Calgary where oil sand is in abundance. As of now, I’m taking a seat back and back to hit the books and learn the fundamentals of value investing from gurus like Benjamin Graham and Warren Buffett! :)

Good Investing!

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MyAvatars 0.2 Jackal on July 31st, 2008 (3 weeks ago) at 9:37 pm

Hi Wai Loong,

Anyone knows about http://www.edgeproperties.com
I understand it is pink-sheet company
any infos. on pink-sheet penny stocks?
Is it safe to invest with such companies.
The company Edgeworth Properties is a US company marketing land/developments in Calgary,Alberta.

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MyAvatars 0.2 Jackal on July 31st, 2008 (3 weeks ago) at 9:42 pm

It should be http://www.edgeworthproperties.com and it is about near 3yrs. old they have been aggressively recemtly in Singapore…any takers on these company

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on August 1st, 2008 (3 weeks ago) at 9:45 pm

Hello Jackal!

Yes, I’ve heard about Edgeworth Properties. I haven’t taken a look at their investor’s relation yet, so I can’t comment. Are you already an investor with Canadian properties? If you have not, and are interested, I can introduce you to someone whom I know who can get you started with REDEV or Edgeworth Properties.

Good Investing! :)

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MyAvatars 0.2 Jackal on August 2nd, 2008 (3 weeks ago) at 2:04 am

Hi Wai Loong,

I love Calgary,Alberta and I’ve invested with Walton & Redevproperties and guess what?…….Both are showing good results in NE & NW Calgary.
The saying is better to invest in both Land & Physical Properties connected in OILSANDS Boom than OIL & GAS players.
Without Land, there will be no housing or Shopping/Offices…that support human actvities….simple as that!
Oil Wells are depreciating assets & Tax Royalties goes along with more oil production so where is the cashflo???

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on August 2nd, 2008 (3 weeks ago) at 7:49 pm

Hi Jackal!

Money will flow to where it is most profitable. I’m currently looking optimistically at Redev though I haven’t receive the title deed yet. I have been advised to wait about 6 to 9 months for title delivery. Anyway, since it’s paying a good cashflow and above than average capital appreciation, I can better focus on my other investments. :)

BTW, how much have you learned about Edgeworth Properties? Do you mind if you can sharing with me your research?

Thanks! :)

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MyAvatars 0.2 Joanna on August 8th, 2008 (2 weeks ago) at 5:37 pm

Hi Wai Loong,

have you heard of Gatwick Land marketed by Land International? Thought they have struck gold now that there is a poss that gatwick Airport will be expanded, and will eat into LI’s Land. Any comments?

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on August 9th, 2008 (2 weeks ago) at 12:57 pm

Hello Joanna!

I haven’t heard of Gatwick Land. Is this US, UK or Canada land? Care to elaborate your findings further? Is Land International incorporated in Singapore as a marketing company for Gatwick Land?

Thanks!

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MyAvatars 0.2 Joanna on August 11th, 2008 (2 weeks ago) at 12:46 pm

Wai Loong on Yesterday at 12:57 pm
Hello Joanna!

I haven’t heard of Gatwick Land. Is this US, UK or Canada land? Care to elaborate your findings further? Is Land International incorporated in Singapore as a marketing company for Gatwick Land?

Thanks!

According to the website, Gatwick is located just outside Gatwick Airport (South London). Land Int apparently holds 20% of the land, with the rest in the process of marketing out. They explained they do so because they want to have a stake. Did a google search, apparently Gatwick Airport is poss slated for sale and expansion. Not sure of the impact on the land though. May attend one of their sessions to find out more.

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MyAvatars 0.2 Wai Loong on August 11th, 2008 (2 weeks ago) at 1:10 pm

Hello Joanna!

Now that you mention Land International again, I checked out that John Tan did mentioned that in an earlier post (see comment #16).

If an airport is to expand into their land, the obviously effect to the investment is likely to be negative. Are you attending the sales presentation from Land International soon?

Just curious to know if it’s going to be at Capital Tower (near Tanjong Pagar)? :)

Good Investing!

PS: Do keep an eye on Jackal’s latest post above (comment #23). Edgeworth Properties seemed so hot now that their newest land project was sold out within 2 months after it was launched.
http://www.edgeworthproperties.com/

PPS: I have been invited to attend the Edgeworth properties local seminar to find out more on Alberta land but I have been rather busy lately. Frankly speaking, I am not cash rich so I cannot afford to plunge down anywhere like CAD$25k even if the deal is priced attractively and returns a relatively good yield. I am more interested now to go slowly on value investing while keeping an eye on other asset class like precious metal, land or commercial properties. Do not let my own financial situation and judgements affect your investment decisions!

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